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sh58 · 2021-10-04T02:25:07+00:00

I can understand “pain is weakness leaving the body” in the context of strength training, exercise, etc. because that shit hurts, but you literally become stronger because of it.

However. Chronic pain is a whole other ballgame. When your body is in pain 24/7, it can quite literally break you down to the core. It can absolutely fuck your central nervous system and has a very heavy toll on mental health too. This guy was definitely dealing with some very serious pain.

Unless you’ve been in the position of living with chronic pain, it’s hard to understand what it’s actually like. Pain may be felt the same way by people, but for most they have the luxury of it going away so eventually they feel stronger. Unfortunately not everyone has that luxury and the constant pain can really break you down.

soxpoxsox · 2021-10-04T02:39:16+00:00

The guy sounds like a dick for not respecting your boundaries, but your view is very incorrect.

Medically: I have an 85 year old grandmother. Her shoulder has been hurting, and she has been struggling but pushing through it. We went to the doctor, and she has a completely torn rotator cuff, and each pain is her bones rubbing together, no cartilage protection, and her arthritis building up monstrously in the area, to the point it protrudes more than her other shoulder.

We all feel really guilty we didn't take her sooner. Covid.

Pushing through made her situation immensely worse.

KingOfTheJellies · 2021-10-04T05:18:00+00:00

So there is a lot to unpack there.

Compensation, asking for favours, cats and illegal tenancy is a whole different issue that has nothing to do with pain. So allow me a small licence in mostly removing and ignoring those parts. The core part then becomes someone with pain seeking alternatives such as alcohol rather than the marines method of just "manning the fuck up".

Pain exists for a reason, it's not something we just evolved for the fun of it. It's a deterrent that tells us that we are doing something bad or harmful to our bodies. This is not an opinion based on gender norms or perceived strength, this is the biological reason for pain existing. When you put your hand on a hot plate, pain tells you to take it off. When you get stabbed, pain tells you that it is not the correct way your body should be.

So ignoring pain and doing a task despite it is not making you stronger, it's biologically proving the opposite. Walking on a foot that hurts is generally because something is wrong with the leg, and walking on it will make things worse. It will actively make you weaker.

That's all set up for the Marines quote which also exists for a reason. Marines and other military services operate on a function, to do things that are stupid to the self, in pursuit of the greater societal good. To not run and save yourself, but instead to go back into the pain and finish the mission. Because the mission is more important than your life.

So the Marines quote is a form of self-induced brainwashing, that has the placebo effect of allowing you to ignore biological programming and do something you shouldn't. It's contextual.

Pain should be listened to, to improve yourself. Pain tells you that you are doing something wrong. The marine quote should only be used if you want to convince yourself to do something that will make you weaker, but at the goal of something bigger than yourself, something metaphysical and societal

Kibethwalks · 2021-10-04T02:26:49+00:00

Chronic pain is not “weakness leaving the body”. Chronic pain causes weakness. I’ve had chronic pain for about 20 years and it has not in any way shape or form made me stronger. I’m not surprised your neighbor was drinking if the pain was bad enough and he had no other alternatives. I’m not sure how I can convince you because I’ve run into many healthy people with your opinion and most of them don’t realize their mistake until they seriously injure themselves or develop a long term physical problem. “Pain is weakness leaving the body” only works for things like pushing yourself in that last rep when exercising (and even then you have to know your limits and not push so hard that you cause permanent damage).

All that said you obviously don’t owe your neighbor rides to the store.

Grunt08 · 2021-10-04T02:52:27+00:00

If I saw your legs off with a chainsaw, are you getting stronger?

Cause that's a lot of pain.

Giblette101 · 2021-10-04T02:25:07+00:00

Pain is sometimes "weakness leaving the body", but sometimes pain just plainly suck and people have to deal with it to absolutely no benefit.

Going to the gym can be the first one. Chronic pain - like arthritis - is most likely the second one.

2021-10-04T02:31:40+00:00

Someone insisting on you repeatedly doing a favor when they had alternatives is bad, but it does nothing to prove your view. You haven't even made the beginnings of an argument that pain is weakness leaving the body. As someone who, as the result of an old injury, feels the same amount of back/shoulder pain no matter what they do, I can tell you pain is just pain. It doesn't represent some improvement to your character or sign you'll have fewer problems in the future.

2021-10-04T04:02:42+00:00

That mantra is bullshit. Pain is the way your body tells you that something is wrong.

WeepingAngelTears · 2021-10-04T02:27:39+00:00

I can't speak for metaphorical pain, but physical pain is your brain telling you part of your body is being damaged. Sometimes this is okay, in the case of slightly damaging muscle cells in order for your body to repair them and make more, hence you getting stronger when you work out. Other times, this is in response to a gash or a burn, in which case your body does not generally recover to a higher state than it was before the injury.

Tl;dr: Pain is a nerve response to damage to your body.

Mr_Manfredjensenjen · 2021-10-04T02:51:37+00:00

Pain is your body telling you to change your course of action. It's kind of like fear. It's your body telling you to be careful.

Drill Sgts like that saying it because it makes noobs work harder.

Learning to fight thru pain is hugely important but it can also lead to permanent physical problems. Not that Uncle Sam cares.

spectrefox · 2021-10-04T02:51:50+00:00

Others have pointed out a lot of the main stuff already, i.e. training that helps work through certain issues, but let me use my own life example.

I get chronic migraines. Awful, debilitating migraines. They can last for a week, or longer in a cluster. And it doesn't matter if I take something for it repeatedly, sleep through it, work through it, etc. That pain is not going to be something that will leave me through work. I can't get used to it to the point of it no longer affecting me. I can only hope medication can lessen the severity, or bodily changes over my life remove them.

This is how chronic pain is for a lot of people. A knee injury could result in nerve pain, which is a real bitch to treat. A friend of mine has gout, and he just has to live with it. He can accomodate it, but end of the day, its there and debilitates him to the point of ER visits.

Yeah, your neighbor is infringing on your privacy and your right to it, I'm not defending him. But your attitude towards how people have to deal with pain is completely misconstrued, and so is that saying.

perfectVoidler · 2021-10-04T06:42:05+00:00

"pain is weakness leaving your body." this is cringe. If you wouldn't have specified that it was from the military I would have guess that it was the favorite quote from an edgy self-harming teenager.

So why would the marines use this intellectual garbage? Because the target audience are young men. Simple marines, they want to shut up and die for their country.

BelmontIncident · 2021-10-04T02:51:20+00:00

Consider that athletes, or for that matter, the Marines, train in specific ways. They don't just get beat with tire irons until they become Kryptonian. Pain is a sign of damage and the body responds to some but not most forms of damage by adapting to that stress and becoming stronger.

Pain is a cost. We want to maximize the benefits while minimizing pain. This might still mean enduring a lot of pain sometimes, but that's under specific circumstances towards a known purpose.

DestrutionW · 2021-10-04T05:22:25+00:00

A similar mindset "just push past it and get your laps in" gave me an injury... so no pain is not weakness leaving your body pain generally speaking is your body telling you in no uncertain terms to either stop what is being done to it or stop what you are doing.

However there are exceptions of course. Even a properly balanced work out that won't hurt you will cause some pain and physio therapy in extreme cases is often extraordinarily painful but necessary for things to heal properly.

Whether him pushing past the pain and just walking to the store would have helped his injury or aggravated it I honestly couldn't say, he obviously didn't even try to rehab it and that's why it lingered for so long and likely worsened but that doesn't mean that just ignoring the pain and walking on it (and with a load on the way back) wouldn't have just made matters worse.

Archi_balding · 2021-10-04T11:01:45+00:00

It's a mantra used to brainwash very speciffic people (military) into ignoring a basic body function, not something to live by. Like many things you'll find from the army.

Just like "Any hussard that isn't dead by 30 is a wanker and I do whatever I can to not pass this term." is stupid in every context that isn't being part of an ax-crazed squad with a death wish.

Pain is your body telling you "Stop doing that, you're reducing your life expectancy.", body can be wrong in some context because it does not understand the socio-political implications of warfare but it's on point most of the time.

A toothache is telling you "Go to the fricking dentist to get rid of that" not " You're strong for chewing on that pain block.". Most of the time pain is just "Keep doing that and it'll get worse.".

TSoWAY · 2021-10-04T15:48:19+00:00

As a Marine that deals with Chronic pain (knees and lower back). The dude is a pussy first off (but I feel for him been there done that) second off that is not exactly how the saying is suppose to be used. Its meant for when you are actually training not when you are injured. There is a stark difference between "pain" that is caused from training and pain that is caused from injury. Obviously it is possible to mitigate some of the pain with strength training but not everything can be accomplished through training. My knees are significantly better then what they where however my back still feels as though I have done no strength training. Some things just don't go away.

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Sunday, October 03, 2021

CMV: As the US Marines would say: "Pain Is Weakness Leaving Your Body"

CMV: As the US Marines would say: "Pain Is Weakness Leaving Your Body"

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