Monday, April 07, 2025

If someone in North Korea says something offensive about the regime such as "We need the South's regime to replace ours!" (우리 정권을 대체할 남한 정권이 필요합니다!), can they still be prosecuted for such utterances without any proof (such as a voice recording?) Or does there need to be proof to prosecute?

 

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If someone in North Korea says something offensive about the regime such as "We need the South's regime to replace ours!" (우리 정권을 대체할 남한 정권이 필요합니다!), can they still be prosecuted for such utterances without any proof (such as a voice recording?) Or does there need to be proof to prosecute?

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I wonder whether in North Korea, there are listening devices in every building and on every street light, Etc that makes and saves recordings of all sounds nearby.

Or if anybody says anything offensive and critical about the regime and its leaders, and there are no recording devices present, is this still prosecutable? If this is still prosecutable without any proof needed, how so?

 

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[–]wlondonmatt 22 points  

Its inconsistent and the level of evidence needed wilp depend on how in or out of favour y9u are with the regime and how much money you bring into the country.

If your the son of the dear leader you can even visit disneyland without getting in trouble.

Western films are banned but as kim jong il owned the largest western film library in the world.

[–]zeocrash 4 points  

If your the son of the dear leader you can even visit disneyland without getting in trouble.

Which is why Kim Jong Nam is the leader of North Korea... Isn't he?

[–]wlondonmatt 7 points  

Kim jong un also visited disneyland

[–]zeocrash 4 points  

True, but he would have been about 7 or 8 at the time, had he tried as an adult he may have fallen out of favour in the line of succession, like his late brother.

[–]wlondonmatt 4 points  

I think that if they had been caught it would have been a real problem . 

Kim jong nam was caught. But his userption in the line of succession was for multiple reasons. He was an product of an affair kim jong il.had with an actress he was more democratically minded than his brother and was secretly communicating with the CIA

[–]Expensive_Watch_435 1 point  

Didn't know the CIA part. What a legend

[–]Anxious_Picture_835 5 points  

But Jong-nam fell out of favour because of his personality and ideas, not because he visited Disneyland.

[–]SedatedAndAmputated 1 point  

*you're

[–]Commercial-Hat-5993 8 points  

Well they'd be in a world of shit

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[–]Logical-Toe6593 1 point  

No. No one does. Even if you had the capacity to record all this you wouldn't have the manpower to process it in any meaningful way. This is a country that cannot keep the lights on in expat hotels in the capital. They use 20th century totalitarian model of having a massive percentage of the population as informants. If you say something illegal in The West (eg threatening death) and there is no recording the prosecution continues. No reason that the DPRK would have greater procedural protections than a liberal democracy.

Evidence includes the testimony of witnesses. In other words, if someone says you said or did something, their saying that is evidence. Otherwise, how would cases have worked decades ago. Imagine arguing that your client cannot be found guilty of uttering threats because there is no recording in the 1950's. The availability of new forms of evidence (recordings dna etc) did not increase the threshold of evidence required for prosecution.

[–]MementoMoriMD 2 points  

Read up on the "show trials" during the Stalin days.

[–]Riptiidex 2 points  

like security cameras that every country has? i’d imagine they’d get in trouble and that there’d need to be proof

[–]wlondonmatt 3 points  

They have radios in every household that has to be on all the time it is not known if they are listening devices.

[–]Riptiidex 4 points  

source?

[–]wlondonmatt 8 points  

https://www.nknews.org/2019/06/the-north-korean-radio-you-can-never-turn-off-fact-or-fiction/ theres some details and descriptions

[–]Mathrocked 4 points  

There isn't enough manpower on Earth to monitor every household conversation in the country...

[–]wlondonmatt 0 points  

There doesnt need to be to create the fear it just needs to be random monitoring and for you to not know when that random momitoring is taking place. 

3% of east Germanys population was in the stasi or were informants for the stasi

[–]Mathrocked 2 points  

East Germany had far more resources than North Korea. There really is no evidence that it is true so it is a bit silly to simply say.

[–]wlondonmatt 1 point  

There were 91 0000.paid stasi officers the rest were unpaid informants.

Each apartment block and work unit has a ministry of state securoty liason in North Korea. They are probably not paid but recieve rewards for informing (Like consumer products or rations for each person they onform on)

How paranoid would you be if the workplace karen or the street karen was possibly listening to your every conversation

[–]Mathrocked 1 point  

Resources in general. East Germany was a rich country by communist standards. You are throwing out bs.

[–]wlondonmatt 1 point  

Whats BS that every work unit and apartment block has a state security liason. We know this becausd tbey are the ones that arrange the ideological talk

You dont need significant resources to bribe people. Infact most stasi informants recieved no money At all.

The film director shin san ok got away with a leak of the recordings he made of kim jong il because.when they leaked he thought they came from the state security service.

[–]Hullo_Its_Pluto 2 points  

I love that someone downvoted you for wanting a source. This really is the North Korean sub

[–]Brilliant-Ebb-1427 2 points  

Probably citizens of NK live in that kind of paranoia.

[–]jrgman42 1 point  

Does illegal deportation count as prosecution? The US is doing that right now, without trials.

[–]SupportInformal5162 1 point  

People in the north understand on average what is happening in the south, so they are more likely to take such a person for a madman. It is not that the north is communist, but that the south is social Darwinist.

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