Wednesday, April 09, 2025

How are Ukrainians and their allies coming along on developing laser weapons that can shoot missiles out of the sky?

 

How are Ukrainians and their allies coming along on developing laser weapons that can shoot missiles out of the sky?

Lasers would be the better and cheaper (per use) option to shoot down incoming nuclear ICBMs than a countermissile intended to fly into a cruise or nuclear missile.

So are the most powerful laser weapons able to shoot down nuclear missiles yet? Have there been tests done with dummy missiles?

I think we need to deploy lots of laser batteries all over Europe to be ready to neutralize any Russian nuclear threat, and more on oil rigs in the ocean, and on the North American continent to feel even safer.

So where are we on developing missile-intercepting lasers?

By the way, I think smaller lasers ought to be able to shoot down drones and lancets.

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[–]theonegunslinger 8 points  

Basically, no laser weapons are not at the point where they can shoot down missiles, if you ask this question in a scientific or weapons subreddit I am sure someone can explain atmospheric limitations, targeting issues and power issues

[–][deleted] 3 points  

It's not even the atmosphere. It's empty space. A laser beam diverges rather quickly. It's not as simple as pumping more power into the beam due to filamentation.

TLDR; it's hard to keep a laser focused at long distances for a variety of non-obvious reasons, some due to the wave nature of light, some due to relativistic effects, some due to plasma effects, some due to atmospheric scattering.

[–]Bluewaffleamigo 2 points  

Israel has it.

Power issues are a huge deal, so a mobile unit wouldn't work, which makes it useless in most of Ukraine.

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2025/1/29/israels-iron-beam-set-for-historic-deployment

The technological breakthrough was choosing to shoot hundreds of small, coin-sized beams at a target, rather than just one large beam, he said. The small beams do not get dispersed in the atmosphere; however, they are not powerful enough to destroy a target by themselves.

Just FYI. No mention of the range which is suspect is rather limited.

[–]tarleb_ukr 2 points  

One issue is that Lasers are easy to counter: just make the missile/warhead rotate across it's own axis, and suddenly Lasers become fairly useless. Lasers work by heating-up and melting parts of the target, and a rotating object will always have time to cool down again, as the laser can't follow it around. Destroying anything becomes much more difficult once the target starts rotating.

[–]HistoricalLadder7191 1 point  

There is one more thing. ICBMs and medium range ballistic missiles, like "oreshnik" have little scene without nuclear warhead. We are talking about 6-12 warheads with around 200kg explosives, and not very percise strike capability (like 50m circle, at best), at the cost of 100+ cruise or short range ballistic missiles - more percise, and with bigger warheads. And you need to be able to intercept those. As well as suicide drones, that you can have around 1000 at the same price.

We(Ukraine), exploit very this issue in russian air defences- they don't have enough capacity to deal with slow, low altitude, saturation attacks - and their fairly sophisticated systems designed to hunt down NATO plains and cruise missiles are fall prey for cheap drones coming low and slow, at altitudes c-400s can't target them.

Modern war is about quick adaptability, creativity, and flexibility. Not about Wunderwaffe.

[–]pryoslice 1 point  

Sounds like we need lasers on Patriot missiles.

[–]--o 1 point  

The SDI concept is so different from everything not powering the laser using a nuclear weapon that it's basically unrelated.

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[–][deleted] -1 points  

Ukraine doesn't have the money or man power to fuck with experimental technology, they legitimately don't have the resources to mess with anything besides bodies.

[–]Rusty5th 1 point  

I’m ashamed that my country, the USA, is essentially abandoning Ukraine. It’s obvious our president is a puppet for Putin. Most of the citizens of the US still want to support Ukraine. Unfortunately the president and other Putin puppets (Tucker Carlson for example) are spreading vile propaganda and trying to convince the public Putin is a benevolent, heroic person.


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